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June 4, 2020 @ 10:00 am (MST)

Meeting Agenda

This week’s topic:

Based on dialogue from our last several conversations we need to focus on four key areas: standards, certification, and accreditation, education, and research. What would the future look like in each of these areas if we were to achieve our goal?

Chat Transcript:

00:21:42 Open Assembly: Good morning everyone!
00:27:15 Open Assembly: For those of you that arrived late we are all in breakout rooms and will be back in two minutes.
00:30:04 Darren Murph: That was great, super fun idea
00:30:21 Gavin McClafferty: Lots of fun!
00:30:45 Steve Rader: I love the breakout and getting to know more of the community members!!!
00:30:53 Janice Stevenor Dale: Easy there!
00:30:55 Darren Murph: Same here, Steve — super valuable
00:33:01 Steve Rader: I’ve been thinking a lot about the possibilities of this new “democratization of work” and the new lifelong learning that comes along with it as being a key tool to helping with some of opportunity gaps in our society.
00:35:35 Steve Rader: Question for some of the platforms…. How are you folding upskilling and life-long-learning into your platforms?
00:35:46 Steve Rader: What can we as a community do to help?
00:35:56 Open Assembly:
00:38:15 Chuck Hamilton: I have been thinking about POND. People On Demand. Create a pond of job seekers looking to build a portfolio job for themselves, anywhere in the world. I think it requires individuals to take over ownership of their own skills and experience profiles and selectively share that profile with the world.
00:38:35 Janice Stevenor Dale: Areas to impact: diversity
00:38:38 Janice Stevenor Dale: Healthcare
00:38:40 Janice Stevenor Dale: Stability
00:39:20 Steve Rader: Are any of the platforms starting to make strategic partnerships with training/education platforms?
00:39:54 Open Assembly:
00:40:31 Janice Stevenor Dale: Time is right to help the “essential” businesses to make a shift.
00:41:25 Jon Fredrickson: OI/Crowdsourcing solutions and who solves them: over 80% come from people the company would not ever see fitting compared to who they traditionally hire
00:41:30 Michael Morris: There is a fairness issue and a perception of fair.
00:41:57 Steve Rader: Last week folks brought up engaging the procurement and HR departments as a way to institutionalize open talent may be an approach.
00:42:11 Gavin McClafferty: @Pranish – to some extent you are pushing against an open door at the moment. Organizations can’t afford to stand still – so they need to consider new ways of accessing capabilities.
00:42:20 Open Assembly:
00:42:46 Janice Stevenor Dale: Yes, Adam and Steve, HR is playing a pivotal role currently in large organizations as never before.
00:42:54 Michael Morris: I agree with that Steve, driving this from HR will be a key point.
00:42:59 mark barden: does anyone know anything about “badging” in education as a way to credntialize people without them having to get a college degree?
00:43:02 Jon Fredrickson: Those results I mention say that culture dominates selections…”if all you ever do is all you have ever done or will do, in a hyperconnected world you are average”
00:43:05 Gavin McClafferty: One of the difficulties is that there is no common way of showing a freelancers achievements across platforms. Blockchain could be the solution for that.
00:43:35 mark barden: badging meets blockchain? nice!
00:43:45 Janice Stevenor Dale: It
00:43:54 Janice Stevenor Dale: Its also about job creation.
00:43:55 Carin-Isabel Knoop: easier to set up shop (legal side) but as you note adam there are political and other issues involved. you can set up shop but succeeding probably requires connections and academic credentials.
00:44:13 Gavin McClafferty: @Mark 🙂
00:44:21 Clinton Bonner: Agree that there is a huge opp with CHROs, and Transformation Offices w/i the enterprise. Had a great convo with Gary Bolles, chair of FoW at SU recently about this exact topic for anyone interested –
00:44:37 Chuck Hamilton: Why don’t we do a Knowledge Exchange to vote up a project(s) that we can drive as a common voice? An organization that steps up to address chronic under employment will receive funding.
00:45:07 Andy Barnes: Is there a case for creating a website for the supply side which says ‘add my profile’ and send it to ALL platforms which helps them to register? And update profiles?
00:45:31 Arthur Natella: Could we create working groups to develop a framework for each of the key areas of focus?
00:45:47 Pranish Kumar: I think part of the challenge in Enterprise is how to best leverage the different platforms. Will there be enough “home-run” success stories to keep companies engaged as the economy recovers.
00:46:16 Fanny Eliaers: And also being more inclusive within our platforms, organisations
00:46:22 David L. Papp: @Gavin, yeah like a blockchain-based credit bureau
00:46:26 Chuck Hamilton:
00:46:43 Clinton Bonner: All, I have to drop, look forward to seeing some actions from this discussion.
00:47:26 Darren Murph: On the mention of Coursera – we at GitLab are partnering with Coursera to help amplify and enable folks to master remote-first practices to work in an increasingly remote world.
00:47:47 Gavin McClafferty: @Darren – great plan!
00:48:15 Open Assembly:
00:50:32 Steve Rader: @John Healy — could not agree more! Yes!
00:50:43 Wade Bittle: Gl;obalID ( for CVs/Work Experience…?
00:50:47 Mark Burrell: Why isn’t there a project X with shared ownership and agree upon participation from the group. wouldn’t we all agree a new social media platform is desperately needed. so what if there was one central repository where the creation and certification is everyone involved here. Wikipedia for Work
00:50:47 Steve Rader: Messenger?
00:50:55 Gavin McClafferty: @John Healy – 100% agree!
00:51:18 mark barden: great summary of the issues @johnhealy
00:51:18 David Messinger: 100% agree with John! Love to see OA own that piece
00:51:27 David Messinger: and happy to contribute to it
00:51:34 Dyan Finkhousen: Agree Mess!
00:51:38 Wade Bittle: @Mark Burell: interesting idea (re: Wikipedia4Work)
00:51:54 Open Assembly:
00:52:39 Tom O’Malley: Darren, I love your movies…you also go by Jake Gyllenhaal right?
00:53:00 David L. Papp: One of our biggest challenges to predict reliability. Hiring trough platforms helps as there are ratings, but what about direct hires, first timers, freelancers with no track record
00:53:36 Pranish Kumar: Is there a model where blockchain can track work across all formats, not just freelancing, but volunteer, vendor work and even FTE (maybe the hardest)? Most people don’t work in just 1 style, which makes a true skills tracking solution challenging.
00:53:44 Steve Rader: @Darren – That point about repopulating rural with more remote work opportunities I think is spot on!
00:54:04 mark barden: yes to Project X @markburrell – any thoughts if anyone working on that?
00:54:06 Tom Cooke: We’ve artificially structured work in it’s present form. Seems that we can artificially create it in another form that makes greater sense
00:54:56 Steve Rader: @Pranish – that is a very interesting idea… wholistic tracking of experience would be super valuable
00:55:12 Open Assembly:
00:55:29 Darren Murph: Haha Tom 😀 @Steve – thanks for that! Massive for bringing opportunity to underserved areas and prioritizing community
00:55:55 Gavin McClafferty: Can you imagine if you created a secure overview of talent underpinned by a blockchain approach and then added AI / ML to seek out talent and cross reference against an innovation pipeline? It could have amazing potential.
00:56:39 Ty Montague: Folks interested in the blockchain should check this platform out. Still early days but I find the project to be fascinating.
00:56:41 Steve Rader: Do any of the platforms pair workers (high skill + learner) to help upskill workers and provide better services for lower cost?
00:56:47 David Boghossian: Sounds like data sharing across platforms, up skilling and certification, and safety net issues are on people’s minds
00:57:01 John Healy: @Gavin….take that, and then also look at inverting it…if I’m aworker trying to get a certain type of job/gig, what skills am I missing, what training/cert/credential do I need?
00:57:20 John Healy: assessments play in here to….where and I a better cultural fit?
00:57:22 Gavin McClafferty: @John – that’s a great idea!
00:57:29 David Messinger: when a worker comes to our site, at the bottom of each piece of work we recommend tutorials and blog posts to try to help people up skill
00:57:37 Chuck Hamilton: @David, can’t we use both block chain and peer review to verify the quality of people skills? Also their are Ai tools that look at your skills and have and verifies that you have them
00:57:48 Gavin McClafferty: @Ty – thanks for sharing that!
00:58:15 Open Assembly:
00:58:39 Open Assembly:
00:59:42 Arthur Natella: Massachusetts has a great training and education website. – perhaps we could develop something similar. Create a trusted source to know what trusted training exists.
00:59:59 Steve Rader: @Mess – I love what you guys are doing at Topcoder! I think it is one of the reasons your community members are so passionate!
01:00:14 Pranish Kumar: @Steve I think the idea of extending learning from courseware to learning from other people is fascinating, as I think this is a missing element today.
01:01:36 Steve Rader: @Pranish… agree… I think that communities provide a unique opportunity for collaborative learning that could get really interesting with the right incentives/gamification.
01:01:44 Open Assembly:
01:01:51 kirstin hammerberg: Curious to learn if anyone has good sources or advice on how young people new to the workforce can thrive on open talent platforms? Lots of belief that growth and training needs to happen in more traditional environments.
01:02:08 Mary Mellino: Can we get to a list of top 3 problems/”how” questions we want to solve for first them strategize on how to collaborate?
01:02:38 Gavin McClafferty: @Kirstin – MindSumo predominantly targets young people.
01:02:58 Gavin McClafferty:
01:02:58 John Healy: great question @Kristin
01:03:35 Carin-Isabel Knoop:
01:03:35 Ashley Beaudoin: Here is what Bryan is talking about:
01:03:50 kirstin hammerberg: Thanks @Gavin
01:03:52 Steve Rader: Thanks Ashley!!
01:04:03 Wade Bittle: @Gavin: MindSumo sound slike Quirky
01:04:04 Open Assembly:
01:05:19 Chuck Hamilton:
01:05:30 Pranish Kumar: @Kirstin, something I think is tough for younger people is getting guidance on which projects to take (i.e. which ones will provide the best learnings for them) vs just doing what they know.
01:06:15 Gavin McClafferty: @Bryan – is the bigger question around why 5.5 billion globally live in poverty – what access do they have platforms? If they had access to a digital labor market then that could be a game changer for real world change.
01:06:16 Pranish Kumar: And then how do you effectively cost/pay for this model (what’s the equivalent of an apprenticeship) in this world.
01:06:22 John Healy: back to the policy prototyping paper that has been shared for a sprint approach…
01:06:34 Tom O’Malley: Happy to host a Design Sprint on Currnt…probono—We actually call it that.
01:06:44 Janice Stevenor Dale: Can the financial advantage to gig work/platform hires be proven?
01:06:49 Tom Cooke: Hiring someone for a traditional job shouldn’t be different than hiring an independent person. That person who is looking for work is who that person is at that point in time. Metrics for experience and potential for continual learning might be helpful in taking a risk on that person regardless of the structure of the work transaction being requested
01:06:58 Open Assembly:
01:07:28 Steve Rader: I really think that this entire movement is happening with our without us…. I think it will have lots of issues along that way that will make it a rough ride… but I also think that it will be up to groups like ours to make this stuff work in ways that are good for the world and our future.
01:07:41 David Boghossian: Demand side. Human cloud user manual for companies.
01:08:11 Bryan Peña: @gavin I totally agree. the failure of many platforms is that they become too reliant on technology as opposed to starting with human to human to “prime the pump”
01:08:14 Janice Stevenor Dale: @Steve, that could be said for remote work, but it takes some large force to advance it in a faster way.
01:08:46 Mary Mellino: I suggest we take a future back approach. Can we collectively define the future state (i.e. fluid workers) them work back to tactical required to cross the chasm
01:08:58 Gavin McClafferty: @Dean – have you seen any organisations that operate almost fully through freelancers?
01:09:36 Mary Mellino: @Dean – ExoWorks, a consulting firm operates primarily through “ambassadors” who are all freelancers
01:10:13 Dean Bosche: The entire Film industry operates 98% as independent contractors.
01:10:21 Andy Barnes: ExO Consultant Certification is free and then the additional courses have a fee. However it does mean they have ‘verified’ and ‘trained’ all their freelancers
01:10:22 Arthur Natella: @Mary Mellino – great point.
01:10:42 Gavin McClafferty: @Dean – thanks.
01:11:05 Janice Stevenor Dale: @Dean, yes, and many starve for months at a time and go to work sick
01:11:08 Balaji: what Dean says is critical. right now, I don’t have any third party proof of the agility that fluid delivers to the outcomes. we should ask Harvard to study and publish the outcomes. I haven’t seen any high skilled team performance being accelerated using freelancers.
01:11:51 John Healy: its a non-traditional heat map….skills, project types, duration, wages…but location is not needed in many cases
01:11:55 Dean Bosche: What Balaji just said, +1
01:12:00 Open Assembly:
01:12:05 Wade Bittle:
01:12:55 Open Assembly: Speaking of heat maps. Who’s seen this? Powered by founders of Instagram.
01:13:17 John Healy: @Balaji…GM has some…their autonomous vehicle teams have been a hybrid blend of internal and external workers in a series of sprints…rapid acceleration of their outcomes
01:13:23 Dean Bosche: I have been working on this “Fluid Work” manifesto: “Enable organizations to favor skill over geography, action over bureaucracy, agility over rigidity, and networks over organization charts. Do this to democratize opportunity and drive innovation.”
01:13:31 Mary Mellino: @Arthur – The ExO consultants/coaches etc. are trained on the ExO methodology. Agree their broader skill set may not be verified
01:13:37 Mary Mellino: EY has a robust badge program
01:13:43 Wade Bittle:
01:13:57 Pranish Kumar: How do we upskill quickly enough to impact the market; how do we enable people to go and spend 1-2 years learning AWS to fill this gap (and ensure they are relevant at that point in time?)
01:14:42 Tom Cooke: @Mark – totally agree. Keep thinking why there are ay job openings right now with 40 million unemployed. The new space industry has 3500 well paying jobs that aren’t filled for whatever reasons, but I’m thinking 3500 of those unemployed would like to work in an awesome industry if they knew how and had what they needed to do so
01:14:47 Dyan Finkhousen: @Dean love that manifesto
01:15:27 Janice Stevenor Dale: @Balaji, those wants to cut is exactly the opportunity for open platform.
01:15:44 Wade Bittle:
01:16:05 Gavin McClafferty: @Balaji: my current organization will make 3000 people unemployed in the near future. 2000 of those will be contractors.
01:16:43 Mark Burrell: Speaking of untapped talent; just used this and love the person they found
01:16:44 Gavin McClafferty: It will be interesting to see if the effect of employee vs contractor for the future.
01:16:48 Mary Mellino: I think this starts with redefining what a job role is. Is it a matter of swapping out bullets on a job posting with new skills OR do we also need to switch from a “role” that can be inherently to a “jobs to be done” mindset. If we break. What is the most narrowly defined “job to be done” that can create value and who is
01:17:01 Mary Mellino: the best person to do it…….
01:17:10 Darren Murph: Excellent discussion, all — thanks for sharing your time and insights.
01:17:20 Dyan Finkhousen: Amazing convo – thanks @Everyone!
01:17:31 John Healy: We trust you and OA!
01:17:36 Catherine McGowin: @Mary – great comments – thank you!
01:17:42 Mark Burrell: Thanks to all!
01:17:46 David Messinger: might be good if you could save these chats and publish them with the group too
01:17:50 David L. Papp: Thanks Everyone!
01:17:51 David Messinger: the chats have some of the best content

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